hey there,

i read your whole "blog" at once. all the "i love ie, ie is the best, nothing can match ie, i love microsoft for ie, i tried others but i love ie" stuff and it amazes me deeply.

i gotta say im a mac user so i have no real chance of using ie6 - im also focussing on print than on web for several reasons.

first of all:

my safari (browser - khtml engine) renders your site perfectly when i compare it to you screenshots. firefox seems to have a problem here but this is really on of the few sites where problems occure - maybe you read a lot too and triggered this bug to show how bad gecko is - if so - you should implement khtml as well.

second: i used all the browsers out there and a lot of different versions. opera, mozilla, khtml, omniweb (which i believe also uses their own engine), internet explorer and so on.
and i cant share your opinion that ie is still state of the art, in terms of GUI design as well as rendering correctness / performance.

your funny googlebar example made me laugh - you still remember how this startet right ? i mean its no ie feature - its an addon.


third: ie didnt became so widespread because it was way ahaed of any other browser but because of the fact that it was supplied with the os and its common sense that the "avarage user" doesnt really care whats behind a software as long as its working and ready to click - that was the only real advantage why the "market share" was growing.

and its still the fact that ie comes with the system that makes the people use it. it would be another story if a firefox icon was under the ie icon after installing.

fourth:

opensource paranoia - also funny - you see the big advantage is that if there are new movements in the development of the web - mozilla can react very fast and adopt.

microsoft on the other hand puts the hands in the pockets fires the ie team and concentrates on security holes.

instead of acting they sit passivly in their chairs. instead of discussion its ignorance.

sure the w3c is far from perfection but what microsoft is doing cant be the right way either and they dont make me cheer really. instead of doing something usefull microsoft decided to do their own thing licke jscript and the java battle.

fifth:

security holes - HA HA HA - i dont really care how secure or insecure ie is or the others.

i know all the developers try to make it as secure as possible but as long as "avarage users" dont care about firewalls, encrypted wireless lans, ssl secured emails / passwords / logins - why should they care about insecure browsers - i mean if the browser is secure but the passwords fly around cleartext it makes no difference.

sixth:

active x - i have a mac - none of my browsers does active x - i never used it - i never needed it - even when i used windows i never had any - what is it why does it has to exist ?

seventh:

i pray - i really literally pray that microsoft is doing ie7 and i really hope they will do good and even if they copy all the good features from all the other browsers - fine. but they should do it !

besides. apple is using khtml for safari which is open source and its amazingly fast. have you ever tried a khtml browser ? i dunno if there are any available for windows though.

eight: modern browsers need to be transparent to a certain degree


-> done - i still think you should take off your squared glasses - maybe try to point out the good things about other browsers - would love to se a feature request list by yourself.


regards - John

macuser

Counting bug reports will always be one-sided when comparing Firefox and Internet Explorer. AFAIK, the reports for IE are not publicly available.

Marcus

IE is stale, plain and simple. People like new toys.
Tabbed browsing and pop-up blocking is all I need to switch, just how many IE windows can Windows handle... I know the answer!!! Thanks to a Spyware program I now know IE handles 99 (or was it 100) instances (I had to reboot an end users amchine to stop the slaughter). Tabbed browsing doesn't exist with IE and to get pop-up blocking you need to own Windows XP and download SP2 (which them blocks local ActiveX and Javascript... instead of actually fixing the underlying security issues)

IE is insecure, plain and simple. People don't like being burned.
Have any 12 year olds from China changed your Firefox Homepage and locked you from ever changing it back? Zero is such a cool number isn't it As a desktop support analyst I can tell you that the prior happens all the time with IE, stop by your AOL broadband using neighbors to confirm this and to watch their search engine queries redirected, pop-ups fired, software download etc... but hey IE has created an entire new IT industry during hard times so maybe that's a plus?

Web heads?
Quirks mode/Doc Type switching, CSS, Mime types, local AX and scripting, cross platform support???
Oh and IE will never have cool tools like the ass whipping "Web Developer Toolbar" extension (as in extensability, as in tools for the users by the users whenever the hell they want them! not with a service pack when HP/Compaq or some other ultra corp pressures MS to roll them out.)

At any rate I was hardcore Netscaper till IE kicked it's butt and I was a big IE fan till MS let it wilt in the heat... Firefox is decent with better features and way more secure so why would someone not switch? As for your bug list, themes with an early beta... pulease!

Here's hoping IE7 is cross platform, secure and robust and comes out soon.

Snack

I read your log that you wrote about how Fire Fox is SO BAD and IE is SO GOOD. I thing you should look into fire fox a bit more and try to download the newer versions FF because FF 1.0.1 kicks IE butt big time. Obviously, since CNet has given the Editor Choise Awared for 2004 and Maximum PC has given it the Softy Award winner for 2004 and almost all PC magazine have done an article on FF vs. IE and have favored FF. I also was an extreem IE fan and hated all the other browsers at that time. But then IE started giving me a lot of problems with spyware and pop-ups and slow load ups, so I set out to find a solution and found FF which is faster, gives you more control, safer and much better. So in the end, Fire Fox rules the web browsing indrustry. http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliates/homepage

Jack

You can install an unofficial Google toolbar extension for Firefox here

Marcus

Making "direct comparisons" with IE is a false claim when mentioning theming bugs. IE does not provide an option for users to theme its UI. Nonetheless, those bugs -- including most favicon-related ones -- have been fixed in recent nightlies.

Marcus

If you take the time to compare some homepages (homepages that adhere to standards in html, css and so on) you will soon find out that ie is yust a joke not a browser ...

in my opinion the best example for this fact is the homepage about css by the w3c.

Maybe you want to take a look to see some differences between IE and Firefox.

http://w3c.org/Style/CSS/

thx. MajorR.

MajorR

What's the purpose of a browser...to access and display files and other data available on the Internet and other networks, right? So the super-cool fading background and other CSS tricks don't work on someone's blog. Big hairy deal. I've often wondered if IE added png support, tabbed browsing, and the googobs of other enhancements people are screaming about if they'd think IE was such a horrible browser then. I know some sites do block out other browsers and that's because they have to design and implement their functionality for the majority of their users. That's business. Surely anyone in web design knows how much of a pain it can be to design a site that looks good in ALL browsers (including NN 4). So IE SP2 and tabbed browsing notwithstanding, any browser should do the trick if you stick to its basic functions.

karsh

I had the same feeling after giving Firefox a go after a couple of my tech-friends couldn't shut up about it. A couple of days into it I disovered that it has as many flaws as IE, and I think it comes down to preference, which of the browser faults can you handle?

Sina

You should remove this article from your website. You don't know what you are talking about. Firefox is far superior to IE.

Logan Lindquist

Ha, beste lezer...
Ik vind Mozilla Firefox echt super goed!!
Het is ook nog eens handig te gebruiken...
doeii
bedankt hè!!!:)

Martine

This is the biggest load of crap i've ever seen

Period.

First off, IE has had over 5 times the amout of time to develop than firefox has. Keep this in mind.

The current version is 1.5.

and to Set straght the curved record:

* Back/forward etc buttons have disappeared after installing a theme (see photo).
* Pop-ups not blocked on http://itreviews.co.uk/hardware/hardware.htm
* Wrong favicons displayed on links bar (see photo)
* After switching theme, the pages loaded in the tabs have vanished (see photo) and the tabs cannot be closed. This happened after downloading one theme (the popular "Noia 2") and enabling it.

He, himself intentinally caused these errors

* Back/forward etc buttons have disappeared...: You can Remove those buttons as shown in the picture

*Pop-ups not blocked on...: You can turn the pop up blocker off, and i don't see a screen shot of that.

*Wrong favicons displayed on links bar: Used to happen because of bad html coding, now fixed

*After swiching theme....: 1) has nothing to do with firefox, only the theme and 2) you didn't have any pages loaded in the first place.


Here is my tests.

IE: Start up time, 6 seconds

Firefox Start up time, 5 seconds

IE, page load on http://www.sxc.hu/: 12 seconds

Firefox page load http://www.sxc.hu/: 1.214 seconds


My conclusion: Clearly Firefox has come a long way, Try it again, and this time, don't mess it up on purpose ;)

God

Dude, I'm not even going to try to tell you how wrong you are, all the other comments contain enough to let you understand that. IE must be the worst browser _ever_.

Period.

jesus_

I was looking for a picture to put on a website im building. Where in you can see that you need firefox and not ie to look at it. IE sucks dick, some pop ups are a need for good websites !!! Anyway im gonna take your picture and switch the logos. Firefox makes the world a lot better place, couse im getting realy pissed off working with Macromedia products and exployer at the same time. And what about the spyware you get with ie, shhhhhh. Install firefox again and learn how to use it.

ANEMO-ONE

i dont know what is worser Internet Explorer or Mozilla Firefox. i am using IE to go surfing online and u am using MF to download stuff. becouse in IE i am getting pop-ups and if i am downloading there something there is a problem with IEXPLORE. in MF there is everything going well but there you must first download all kind of plugings so you can hear music or see something moving. and there you havent got a down thingy that you can move left-right-right-left. (english is not so good).
but if i take a look at both i think im finding IE better then MF.

lol

Firefox is very overrated. They steal everything from Opera anyway, so they are hardly an innovator. If you use windows, get Avant. If you\'re on a mac, stick with Safari. If you\'re mad at your mom, and you hate anything where people make money, get firefox. It isn\'t that great, but you can stick it to the man.

billy

The scale was invented to compare amounts of 2 stacks or the amount of something against a standard. Most often it was used to measure amounts of gold by total mass and not number of coins. thus the picture you have doesn't make any fuxing sense because you have firefox weighing more than IE.
You can have any opinion you fuxing want, but at least have things match up you stupid fuxhead.

a person concerned with your lack of intelligence

dude, you got it wrong, try to install new version,
even microsoft staff use firefox for browsing, search it in google..

firefox rock...

dude